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A mind which creates illusion and a mind which does not, but simply waits to see what is. The first type of mind is an active mind, a creative mind, a creator of deception. The second type is a passive mind; it just looks, it sees -- it doesn't create. Just like a mirror, it reflects.
This is what I call a meditative mind: a mirror-like thing. And really to call it mind is nonsense, because it has become no-mind. "Mind" means that it creates mental images. I'm seeing you, there are two ways to see you: one is to see you as you are: the second is to project something and see that projection in you. The first will be the truth. The second will be the untruth. But our mind is such... We are so conditioned in such a way that we never see what is; we always project something. Somebody comes to me, he never comes with an empty mind, a passive mind. He has not come to see me, he has come with preconceptions. And he will be seeing me through those preconceptions. I will not be there; he will see something that is his own creation. That is the untruth. The conceptual mind is the untrue mind. And the untrue mind cannot conceive the truth. You understand?
Q. BUT WHEN YOU FUNCTION, AS IN THIS WAY, AND YOU ARE WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAVELLING, MOVING, HOW CAN YOU MAINTAIN, OR HOW CAN YOU EVEN ACHIEVE, NIRVANA?
A: No, no! There is no question of maintenance! You have to maintain something if it is false. If it is, you don't maintain it. You go on moving, you breathe, you never maintain the breathing. How do you maintain your breathing? Talking, discussing, going and coming, the breathing is. You never become attentive to it. You are never aware of it; it is just going on. You are not maintaining it. [A lot of microphone disturbance; next sentence not really 'reliable'] When a state is true, so you don't have to maintain it. If a state moves it will maintain itself.
If it has not been achieved, then you have to maintain it, but how can you maintain a thing which you have not achieved? You have to maintain something which is a deception. If I become a sober man and sobriety is not my state, then I have to maintain it. Then it is a false deception, an
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