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is a sheer delight -- then it is simple sex. But when you are using this enjoyment as a stepping stone, it becomes tantra -- that's the only difference. And it is very difficult to judge it from the outside, so don't judge it. Don't judge it, because that is something inner; nobody can say from the outside.
If two persons are making love, nobody can say from the outside whether they are using it for some higher growth or not. They may perform the whole ritual of whatsoever is written in tantra books, and still it may be just ordinary sex. They may do all the rituals. They may move very particularly about everything. Mm? they may consult the book, and follow every iota, and then too it may be just ordinary sex.
And two persons may not have even heard about tantra, may not have looked into the tantra manuals, may not know any rituals, but if they are using their delight like a wave to ride upon and to reach some meditative states, towards samadhi, then it is tantra. Whenever you enjoy your sexual enjoyment for some further explorations it is tantra.
Nothing to be condemned -- and never condemn anybody. If you feel that you can say something to somebody, make it certain....
[The visitor says: It's always been so very closed.]
It has... it has been closed, not because it has to be closed. It has been closed because the so-called public is almost mad -- it will kill you! For the first time it is possible that by and by tantra may become public because the world is more free. In the past it was a very very occult, esoteric, hidden thing.... Not because it has to be hidden -- there is no intrinsic necessity for it to be hidden -- but because of the foolish mass, the stupid world, the mediocre society that would have killed it.... It has killed!
Down the centuries tantrikas have been killed by the society. One instance is very historical. One king bhoja killed almost one hundred thousand tantrikas in india.
... Once it was such a great movement....
[The visitor, incredulous, asks: How can you kill a tantrika?]
Because they were public... they became public. They were very courageous people, and they could be
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