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got eyes... But he says I have seen something which was not seen by eyes, but I have seen it, and seen more exactly than any eye can see. If you have eyes -- those eyes which are not these eyes, those ears which are not these ears.... So Jesus says, "Listen, hearken -- but only those who have ears, who have eyes, can see."
There are eyes which can be opened. But if you think these are all, that these eyes are the only implements, instruments of perfection, then you are losing a greater world -- because there are things unseen by these eyes, which can be seen, which can be heard, which can be felt, which can be known. That's what he says. It is the same thing.
SECOND QUESTIONER: THAT REALIZATION STATE?.... HOW TO AVOID THINKING WHILE REMAINING IN THE WORLD, AND KNOWING YOUR OWN SELF?
A: No, you cannot avoid. You cannot escape, because what you avoid follows you, and what you escape from, in a very deep sense you become involved with.
So don't escape, don't avoid. Thinking is, be aware of it. For some moments, sit quietly, be aware of the thinking, be aware of the process: thoughts are coming, thoughts are going... like breath coming and going, coming and going constantly -- there is a continuity. See it; just see it. Stand aside, be aware of it. Thoughts are going... this thought has come, that has gone, see it, know it. Notice it, but don't condemn, don't say this is good, don't say this is bad. Don't choose. Just be aware. Like a person standing on a street: people are going and coming, the street is running, there is a crowd, traffic, and a person is standing, is just watching. So just see the process.
By and by, the more you become alert, awake, the more you begin to see thoughts, the more you will come to feel intervals. A thought will come, then it has gone and another thought has not yet come... there is an interval. There is a gap -- a little gap. But in that gap there is no thought. So the more alert you become, you will feel the intervals.
Those intervals will be first glimpses of the self -- first glimpses. But glimpses. Just glimpses come and gone.
But go on! Those glimpses will be so blissful, that they
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