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you decide through the mind. You don't know yet how to look at things without the mind interfering.
Now for example, this: if you had listened to the mind, the mind was telling you, 'Leave! It is pointless, and why are you wasting your time? I don't like it!' That mind tries to say that you don't like it, and you are so identified that you don't make the distinction that this is the mind saying, 'I don't like it. ' But the mind's liking or disliking is not your liking or disliking. You are separate from the mind, different from the mind.
So sometimes try that which the mind does not like, and sometimes don't try that to which the mind feels attracted and likes. Go on playing with this game. By and by the mind and you become loose, and then you have a tremendously new perspective. Then sometimes it happens that you can see a thing without the mind coming in, because now you are loose, not so tightly attached to each other.
This loosening comes only when you sometimes go on trying the thing that the mind does not like, and sometimes not trying the thing that the mind likes.
Gurdjieff used to use this technique very much.
Somebody would come who was a vegetarian and who was absolutely against meat-eating and non-vegetarian food. Gurdjieff would force him to eat non-vegetarian food. Now it was repelling -- to a person who has never touched meat and to a person who has always preached vegetarianism there cannot be anything more repulsive. Suddenly this man says, 'Eat meat, otherwise I don't allow you here... otherwise leave me!'
Now he had to choose between Gurdjieff and vegetarianism -- and that is too much! When you have come in close proximity to a person like gurdjieff it becomes very difficult not to choose him. To eat meat is nauseating for a person who has always been against it, but gurdjieff would force him.
Sometimes, to a meat-eater, Gurdjieff would say, 'Stop meat-eating completely. Become vegetarian.' For somebody who never drank he would go on forcing him to drink more and more till he was completely lost. To somebody who drank he would tell them to stop it. That was a way of loosening the mind from the person.
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